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The Leeds United Email List

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A Guide for List Members

Version 1.10

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Contents

  1. About the Leeds List, and how to subscribe/unsubscribe
    1. DISCLAIMER: This is not an official LUAFC service
    2. Copyright Notice
  2. How to make best use of the list
    1. Take what you like, and leave the rest
    2. The list is as good as we make it
    3. Write about others as you would like to be written about yourself
    4. Everyone's welcome
    5. Abusive/Derogatory Remarks
    6. Contentious topics
    7. Humour
    8. Other words of caution
  3. List admin
    1. Posting to the list: LEEDS-UNITED@bremner.team17.com
      1. Please conserve bandwidth
      2. Using web/newswire material
    2. List administration: MAJORDOMO@bremner.team17.com
    3. List problems: OWNER-LEEDS-UNITED@bremner.team17.com
      1. Majordomo says I'm not subscribed
      2. I've stopped getting mail
  4. List-related activities
    1. Leeds United Web Pages
    2. Fantasy Football League
    3. Predictions League
    4. Match Day Score Flashes
    5. List mail digest by Email or WWW
    6. Internet Lards - the List Footie Team
    7. List pictures
    8. Meeting before matches, in Leeds and around the world
    9. The Rogues' Gallery
    10. Internet Relay Chat (IRC)
  5. Thanks, briefly, to everyone

  1. About the Leeds List

    The list is for Leeds fans to talk about Leeds United AFC, and football in general. It's usually a friendly place, and messages are plentiful. As well as regular discussion about Leeds matches and news, there are other activities (a list fantasy league, a predictions league, etc.). Some members often meet up at matches home, away, and abroad. It is very much a place for Leeds fans - an "electronic kop" as one subscriber put it - so while fellow whites will feel at home straightaway, fans of other teams might not be so comfortable. Nevertheless, other fans do occasionally subscribe, and only if they seek to create trouble are they ever asked to leave.

    To subscribe, send a message to majordomo@bremner.team17.com which says

    SUBSCRIBE LEEDS-UNITED

    You're added automatically, and get a message confirming your subscription. If you join the list, please read the details here in full.

    To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@bremner.team17.com which says

    UNSUBSCRIBE LEEDS-UNITED

    You're removed automatically, and get a message saying so. If you have problems unsubscribing, please email owner-leeds-united@bremner.team17.com with the details; do not write to the list about it.

    You are reading the latest version of this document - to get a text version, mail majordomo@bremner.team17.com with a message that reads

    INFO LEEDS-UNITED

    1. Disclaimer

    This list is very much a list run for and by Leeds fans; it has no official connection to Leeds United AFC. The point of this disclaimer is to place full responsibility for messages which appear on the list squarely where it should be - with the individual authors. When that is made clear, then Leeds United, this mailing list, and any institutions providing mail services can be assured that they are in no way implicated or associated with extremist, slanderous, or insulting views, which, regrettably, afflict most electronic mailing lists from time to time, and football-related lists in particular.

    By posting to the list, you are accepting full responsibility for what you write.

    Or, to put all that legally . . .

    Leeds-United@bremner.team17.com is entirely unofficial: it is not endorsed or connected with Leeds United Association Football Club, its servants, or agents in any way. The information and or opinions expressed whether in document, program or graphic image are the responsibility of the originator and in no way represent or reflect the aims or opinions of the Leeds-United@bremner.team17.com electronic mailing list or its maintainers, Leeds United Association Football Club, Team 17, or any other person whether legal or otherwise. No reliance should be placed upon the information received by the receiving party and neither the maintainer of Leeds-United@bremner.team17.com electronic mailing list nor Team 17 shall be under any further obligation or liability in this respect. No warranty, condition or representation of any kind is made given or to be implied as to the accuracy of such information or as to the infringement of third party's intellectual property rights through the use of such information.

    Legal stuff looks frightening; it's there should anyone need it to defend themselves. Avoiding controversy, whether on a legal level or not is quite straightforward, though - check out the sections on How to make best use of the list. Following those guidelines helps make the list hassle-free.

    2. Copyright Notice

    This section formally asserts the rights of the sender of each post. If you want to use any message elsewhere for any reason, you must negotiate permission directly with the original sender. This includes holding messages on a web site, re-printing them in other publications - in fact, anything other than quoting them on the list (including the list digest and web digest) itself.

    Most people are very happy when someone wants to use their work elsewhere, but it's basic courtesy to ask first. The formal copyright notice below gives the option of full legal redress to any sender who believes their work has been misused. If things get serious.

    All rights reserved. No part of any of the messages may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording, or any information storage or retrieval system without the prior permission of the authors, except insofar as is reasonably necessary for the purposes of electronic quotation and discussion arising on the Leeds-united@bremner.team17.com mailing list. The rights of such authors is hereby asserted and shall be deemed to be protected without the need of further notice or warning.

    Should the name and or means of contacting the Copyright owner be unclear please contact the listowner.

    Trouble can easily be avoided of course - simply consult the original sender if for any reason you want to re-use their message.

  2. How to make best use of the list

    The disclaimer, and the comments which followed it may seem excessive, maybe even making you wary of posting. It should be stressed that these things have to be said for the relatively few occasions when discussion on the list has got out of hand. The guidelines which follow should help you to enjoy the list, and keep it a reasonably happy place to be.

    1. Take what you like and leave the rest

    There are hundreds of people on the list. About a quarter post to it from time to time, so it's inevitable that you will enjoy some postings, and detest others. If there's a string of messages you don't like, just delete them instead of getting steamed up. Concentrate on the stuff you enjoy.

    2. The list is as good as we make it

    If you don't like what you're reading, then write something else, the sort of thing you would like to see. Sometimes it's the most opinionated who do all the talking, which covers up what many others think. Don't be afraid to express your views - you will find others who agree with you. There is no official "list view" on any topic, so the mail posted consists of whatever each member decides to send, no more and no less. Overseas readers, and those away from Leeds, appreciate local news items, and especially match reports. Write when you can, if you want to.

    3. Write about others as you would like to be written about yourself

    To avoid the hassles which have occasionally afflicted the list, and given rise to the scary tones of the disclaimer and bits of this intro file, be careful what you write. When you write about players and club officials, and others on the list, remember they are people just like you, and try to treat them with the respect you would like given to you. Ultimately, if abusive posting becomes excessive, the good name of Leeds United, and the continued existence of the mailing list, is put at risk.

    4. Everyone's Welcome

    Everyone's welcome, whether they've been Leeds fans since birth, have just joined up, or are somewhere in between. Please be patient with the questions newcomers to both Leeds United and the mailing list come up with.

    5. Abusive/Derogatory remarks

    Generally, conversation on the Leeds list is carried out in a humorous, good-natured way. Occasionally, though, goodwill between some people breaks down, and these guidelines have evolved from the list's experience in the past. It may seem a bit heavy, but it's there for the few occasions when the good humour runs out, for whatever reason.

    Everyone, no matter which team they support, is asked to keep personal/abusive/racist messages off the list completely; otherwise discussion is entirely free and open. Writing to provoke extreme reactions is not what the list is for: newsgroups like alt.flame or talk.bizarre should be used for that purpose, and the Leeds list kept for friendly discussion about Leeds United. This includes replies to abusive messages: if you must flame, don't write to the list, but direct to the individual concerned.

    It's wrong to think that you can post absolutely anything you like about players, officials, and others from Leeds United or any other club. Derogatory and abusive remarks can, and sometimes do, reach the eyes and ears of those about whom they were made. Even if they don't, many list members find them offensive in the first place.

    Incidentally, the terms "derogatory and abusive" have nothing to do with so-called "Political Correctness" (PC). PC is the laboured use of euphemisms to describe ethnic groups and the disadvantaged; abuse consists of serious insults, flaming, and racial or personal slurs. Tact and friendly courtesy, not PC, is all that's needed to keep most list members happy; abuse, however, remains unacceptable.

    On very rare occasions, people have been removed from the list for going against these guidelines in a BIG way (only three in over three years, thankfully). This is done to safeguard the continuation of the list. The site administrator of such people is informed about the reasons for the removal.

    6. Contentious topics

    There are a few topics which, if handled insensitively, can end up in ugly flame wars: please be aware of this, and write in ways that don't insult and abuse others.

    The ethics of the manager and the board: all too often, discussion on this topic degenerates into slanging matches. Please avoid raising the subject lightly (after every match report, transfer deal, or whatever), since the arguments for and against have been aired so frequently that there is rarely much new or enlightening to be added, and cheap point-scoring by either side gets irritating.

    What makes a real fan: Everyone has their own ideas about what makes a true fan or supporter, but no one can expect their ideas to be shared by others. Leeds fans from Yorkshire are naturally especially proud, but there are people all over the world who are Leeds and proud of it every bit as much. As far as the list goes, if you've got a positive interest in Leeds United you're welcome to join, whether your interest is recent or long-standing, active or relaxed, home or abroad, going to games or gazing at the telly from your armchair, watching Look North or listening to short wave radio at strange hours of day and night.

    Watching More Games: If you see more games than others use your knowledge to back up your opinions and help keep the list well-informed, rather than putting people down for being uncommitted or ignorant. If you don't see many games for whatever reason, respect the views of those who do when they use their insights helpfully. Insights can be gained watching the match at the ground or on television. Insights and comparisons from the past can also be instructive: many people have been intensive supporters at different times of their lives, and can supply a great deal of knowledge and information.

    Commitment to Leeds United: Measuring commitment to the cause is difficult, and on this list with members local and worldwide, it's fairly pointless. One trip to Elland Road from the USA can cost as much as a season ticket in the kop for a local fan: which supporter is the more committed? Not everyone can make it to the ground week in week out, but their interest and concern about the club can be every bit as great as someone who has the good fortune to attend regularly.

    In general: Many people become more interested and active in their support of Leeds United as a result of subscribing to the list: use it to encourage this increased enthusiasm and interest, and help ensure that this trend continues!

    7. Humour

    A lot of humorous comments are posted to the list (thankfully), but in some cases the humorous intent isn't always clear. When you make a subtle joke, please make this absolutely clear when you write - a lot of misinterpretation can arise because words which would have been spoken with laughter have been coldly transferred to type, with no clues as to the real motivations of the writer. Use "smileys", even if you think you're way too cool for that :-) or add comments at the end to diffuse any possible bad feeling. Don't use humour as a cheap way to express anger.

    8. Other words of caution

    A mailing list is more like a newspaper than a pub: offhand comments on a mailing list may not be so quickly forgotten, or as readily overlooked, as those made when having a pint. Even if the comments are innocuous, or at worst badly expressed, they can take on totally unintended significance when relayed, possibly out of context, to other people. Please be careful what you type, for your own sake, and for the sake of the list.

  3. List Admin

    There are three addresses you need to know about.

    LEEDS-UNITED@bremner.team17.com is where you send mail for everyone to read.

    MAJORDOMO@bremner.team17.com is where you send administrative commands about your Leeds list subscription, to be dealt with automatically.

    OWNER-LEEDS-UNITED@bremner.team17.com gets you in touch with the list owner if you need someone's help using the list or majordomo.

    1. Posting to the list: LEEDS-UNITED@bremner.team17.com

    Anybody can subscribe to the list, and you must be a subscriber if you want to post messages to it. To join or start a discussion, send a message to Leeds-United@bremner.team17.com

    The REPLY command on your mailer may be set up to send a reply to the sender of the message and nobody else; messages sent from the list will tend to be configured to cause this to happen in order to avoid the technical problems bounced mail can cause. To reply to the list, make sure you specify Leeds-United@bremner.team17.com as the intended recipient.

    The prefix LU: is added automatically in front of the subject of each message to help everyone sort out Leeds mail from the boring stuff. If you send a message not specific to the subject of Leeds United, please add the prefix NON to help those who want to delete non-Leeds mail without reading it. Other subject prefixes can be used, such as FFL and PL for the Fantasy Football League and Predictions League.

    1.1. Please conserve bandwidth

    A discussion list is obviously for discussion, but sometimes people send things pointlessly. There is a need to avoid unnecessary mail for three reasons. One is the strain the list places on the mail-handling machines. Another is the fact that many subscribers have to pay to download all their list data, or wade through a lot of unnecessary mail. The third is that many subscribers' mail boxes overflow when too much mail comes their way.

    These are the reasons why most of the mail concerning the FFL, predictions competition etc. is kept away from the list. As far as normal list mail goes:

    bulletPlease leave out long signature files at the end of your message
    bulletPlease quote only the bit of a message you're replying to - don't include the whole message.
    bulletPlease keep to the subject of Leeds United and related football issues. Occasional diversions into other subjects - curry houses, beer, whatever - are okay (the sign of a happy and healthy list, even) but don't overdo it!
    bulletPlease don't send scores during games: there is an extra list for that purpose (See 5.4 below)
    bulletPlease read all your mail before sending what you think is up-to-date news: someone may already have sent the information, or even the article (from FutureNet or the Electronic Telegraph for example), you have in mind. By agreement, only one person, Vic Apelian (vickenap@speed.net), ever posts newswire material: he does it regularly and promptly, so everyone else is requested not to send more of it.

    2. List Administration: MAJORDOMO@bremner.team17.com

    There are several commands which can be used by sending them as email messages to majordomo@bremner.team17.com. Note that these are automatic commands which are handled by a computer program, so make sure you send them to majordomo@bremner.team17.com, and not to the list itself. And leave the Subject field of these messages blank: this majordomo software only interprets the body of the message.

    bulletUNSUBSCRIBE LEEDS-UNITED - to remove yourself from the list.
    bulletWHO LEEDS-UNITED - to get a list of subscribers.
    bulletINFO LEEDS-UNITED - to get this help file.
    bulletHELP - to get general majordomo help file.

    Note majordomo does not support the nomail and conceal options.

    3. List problems

    Any other matters regarding the list should be mailed to the address OWNER-LEEDS-UNITED@bremner.team17.com - sometimes people have problems using majordomo or the list itself which need the help of the list owner. Please send such requests for help (including getting help to unsubscribe if you can't do it automatically) to this address. Don't use the list address; only the list owner can help you.

    3.1. Majordomo says I'm not subscribed

    The commonest problem subscribers have is that the email address they subscribed under changes (sometimes without their knowledge). Any change in your address (the one given in the From: line in the header of the mail you send) means that the majordomo software won't recognise you as a subscriber, and when you try to send mail to the list, you just get an error message.

    If the change to your address is permanent, the solution is to re-subscribe under your new address, and ask the list owner to remove the old address for you (unless you can remove it yourself).

    If the change isn't permanent, or if you have a UK address with a long form and a short form, the solution is to re-subscribe under your new address and get the list-owner to put you on the nomail list. That way, you can post to the list no matter which form your address takes, but you only receive one copy of each message.

    3.2. I've stopped getting mail

    Sometimes mail takes a while to reach you. Check first with your systems people to see if they are aware of any network problems.

    Otherwise, it could be that your address has been taken off the list because mail sent to it has been bouncing. If mail sent to your address starts bouncing (that is, being returned to the list owner), then after a period of a few days, the address is taken off the list. This is routine - it saves the network handling pointless posts, and stops the list owner's mailbox filling up with bounced messages!

    Reasons why messages bounce include disk quota being exceeded, and (particularly in the case of commercial service providers such as Demon and Compuserve), account owners not reading their mail for a fixed period (often a minimum of 8 days). At other times, technical problems at your end mean your machine will not accept incoming mail for a time.

    To avoid this problem, please read your mail regularly, and keep a close eye on your disk quota. Unsubscribe if you go away for a number of days. Consider the List Digest if regular mail is too much to handle. If you are removed from the list in this way, just re-subscribe when you can; it's nothing personal.

  4. List Activities

    A number of activities have grown up alongside the list, and a large number of list members take part in them: you are welcome to join in, and details are provided below.

    1. Leeds United World-Wide-Web pages

    The World Wide Web is a popular multimedia interface to the internet, modelled around pages. Each page can contain text, images, sounds and video clips as well as links to other pages on the internet.

    There are quite a few Web pages out there devoted to Leeds United. Check out Jon's Leeds Links for a list of the best (and a link to Doctor Gary's Leeds United Web Ring).

    On a not-totally-Leeds-related note, you'll also probably want to cast your eyes over Chantelle's World - The gurl with a Voice that speaks volumes about contemporary Footie

    What do I need to get the web pages?

    Unlike this page, many of these sites are designed to be used only with a graphical browser, such as Mosaic, Netscape or Internet Explorer. Many ftp sites such as src.doc.ic.ac.uk, ftp.mcom.com, ftp.microsoft.com contain the software.

    2. LUFFL - the Leeds United mailing list Fantasy Football League

    The LUFFL is a Football Fantasy league for members of the Leeds United mailing list and probably the longest running Internet football fantasy league of them all.

    You select your own team of Premiership players and scores are awarded on a weekly basis. Announcements regarding the league are mailed to the Leeds United mailing list.

    The league is using the rules and scores of the well known Fantasy League as run in the Daily Telegraph; however the LUFFL is normally split in two seasons - one before new year and one after.

    We also arrange a (knock-out) cup competition. Both competitions are strictly for members of the mailing list.

    The LUFFL is quite popular - it started out with 20 participants in the first season (Spring 1994) and the last few seasons we have had about 60-80 teams joining.

    The deadline for taking part in the autumn 1997 season is Monday September 8 and the current season ends with the games being played in week 50 (Sunday 14 December).

    The league is run by Halvard Halvorsen.

    LUFFL postings to the list use "FFL:" in the subject field.

    For further information please see the LUFFL home page.

    3. Predictions League

    What is it ?

    The Predictions League lets you pit your wits against other members of the list in trying to predict the outcome of Leeds' games.

    Why don't I just tell everyone on the list what I think is going to happen?

    Three reasons:

    Bandwidth: with ~500 people on the list, if 10% of them make a prediction that will cause the list to send out 25000 messages. The good people at Team 17 provide a valuable - and free - home to the Leeds list, and we don't want to make them unhappy by using their resources profligately.

    Bandwidth: I know we've already had that, but it's such a good one, I thought it deserved to be included twice.

    Interest: most people on the list will probably skip right over your mail if it only contains a prediction anyway.

    Okay, you've convinced my - how do I join ?

    Point your browser at http://www.leedsfans.org.uk/pl/index.html.

    What about the results ?

    Sometime after the game ends the results will be posted to the list in a form that shows everybody's predictions and scores.

    What's it all for ?

    The Statto Shield - a suitably magnificent trophy, generously donated by Jon, the guy who runs the competition - is presented to the winner.

    4. Match Day Score Flashes

    We've learnt by experience that sending score updates to the main list leeds-united@bremner.team17.com isn't a good idea. First, each message can take a long time to process - 500 odd processings per score flash - and the queues of messages build up significantly, with the end result that messages often get throgh much later than intended. Second, a lot of people don't want the 20-30 messages just giving a score update in their mailbox the morning after. So, there are two mini-lists, set up for list members only. Please don't send score updates to the main lists; the same information is available from these lists instead. They provide the latest score roughly every 15 minute throughout each match. One list, run by Sree is for weekend games, and the other, for weekday/evening games is run by Richard Naef.

    Weekend Score Flash List

    To get on the weekend score update list, send an email to gsree@singnet.com.sg , and put under either message subject or message text:

    Weekend ScoreFlash Yes

    e.g. Weekend ScoreFlash Yes anybody@somewhere.world.com

    Weekday Score Flash List

    To get on the weekday/evening score update list, send an email to richard_naef@Compuserve.com using the following text as the message subject or text:

    SUBSCRIBE weekday scorelist

    In both cases please ensure that your e-mail address can be accessed through the Internet and not just within your organisation/ ISP. In general, any address the main list can access should work fine.

    To keep up with things in real-time, see the guide to IRC.

    5. Leeds United Email Digests

    The number of postings made to the list each day can get as high 50 to 60, which is too much for some subscribers. To overcome this, there are two types of digest available: the email digest from majordomo@bremner.team17.com, and the web digest.

    The Email Digest is a single message containing one full day's post to the list, sent at noon and midnight each day.

    To join the digest list, send a message to majordomo@bremner.team17.com which says "subscribe leeds-united-digest". Once on the digest list, you can post to the main leeds-united@bremner.team17.com list; you do not need to join the main list to do this.

    The Web Digest is a World Wide Web interface to the Leeds United email list digest. It keeps the last 7 days or so of email sent to the list. Many thanks are due to Jonathan Evans for donating his time & resources to set it up.

    eScribe.com - where Personal Interest and Community Knowledge meet

    There is now another web digest provided by our friends at eScribe. This is updated pretty much in real time as the mails are sent to the list, and also provides a searchable index.

    6. Internet Lards - the List Footie Team

    The list has fielded a full side - for some reason known as Internet Lard - for a few friendly games. The first game was arranged by Dave Walmsley in Leeds, the second by Ade Thomson in Nottingham. Then there was Euronet 96 where we beat Arsenal, Derby County, and Man U before going out to QPR. Get in touch with Dave for more details, including arranging matches.

    7. List pictures

    A range of pictures of the list in action are available:

    Gav's Leeds Pics and Maps

    More list-related stuff can be added at this site - get in touch with Gav if you have links or photos for scanning.

    8. Meeting before Matches

    Several list members make the effort to meet up before and/or after each match, home and away. It's always good to put faces to names, and really get to know people rather than be limited to electronic mail impressions. By all means come along.

    Increasingly, meets also occur for televised games, at various locations round the world. Recent gatherings have taken place in Oslo, London, Brussels, Munich, and Dublin. Such events are usually discussed on the list, so keep an eye out - and if you don't see anything relating to your locality, then ask about it on the list, or even arrange something yourself.

    For home games, the "meet" before the game usually takes place in the Adelphi. This convention has grown over the past couple of seasons because it is a decent pub which is relatively uncrowded, serves good food on Saturdays, and is well placed for a quick car, bus or taxi ride to Elland Road. Directions to the Adelphi are available for anyone who doesn't know how to find it. As you enter the building, look for list people in the first room on the right.

    After home games, some occasionally end up in the Imperial (from the ground head northish-east for the City Centre, go up the hill alongside the M621, turn right at the City Evangelical Church traffic lights, and keep walking up the hill till you get there). Often other arrangements are made before the match as well.

    Meets for away games are usually arranged on the list a few days beforehand; again, keep an eye out for mail on the subject. If you know of a suitable away game pub where we can meet, by all means suggest it on the list, and provide directions. Don't wait for someone else to propose something!

    9. The Rogues' Gallery

    So who are the listers then? A motley collection of computer geeks, students, Scandinavians and even some people with Real Jobs. The Rogues' Gallery contains some links to their homepages so you can see what they are really like.

    If you want to send personal email to someone on the list and have forgotten their email address, you can either send a mail message to majordomo@bremner.team17.com and say

    who leeds-united
    who leeds-united-digest

    in the message body and you'll receive a message back shortly (anything from 10 minutes to 2 hours) later.

    Alternatively, if you cast your eyes over the list of current members, you might be able to find who you want there.

    Peter Castlehouse has a list of listers and their birthdays, so if you want to send someone a "Happy Birthday" today, have a look at his Birthday Calendar.

    10. Internet Relay Chat (IRC)

    Live commentary of Leeds matches is usually broadcast on match days using RealAudio from the official Leeds United web site.

    For those who aren't able to use RA on their systems - and for those (all too frequent) times when the RA commentary goes AWOL due to network congestion, server overload and other factors, there is an alternative way to keep up with the action - IRC.

    Internet Relay Chat (IRC) is a system that allows many people, connected to different servers around the world, to hold a group conversation/discussion in real-time. By connecting to the #leeds channel on IRC, you should still be able to follow the game as people with better RA reception (or those who are able to listen to Radio Leeds but for some reason aren't at the game) relay the match commentary.

    Although you can use IRC with a basic telnet client and a character terminal, there are several IRC client applications that make it much easier to use. If you don't already have one, we recommend:

    bulletmIrc for MS-Windows users.
    bulletZircon for X-Windows users.
    bulletIrcle for MAC users.

    Once you have successfully installed and started your IRC client software, you need to connect to a server (several clients will offer you a list of servers to choose from). The #leeds channel runs on the Undernet servers, so pick one of those servers (e.g. london.uk.eu.undernet.org) and a TCP/IP port number to connect to (IRC servers usually run on ports 6666-6669: 6667 is usually a good choice). If your IRC client doesn't come with a list of servers, the mIRC home page contains a comprehensive list of servers, which networks they are on and TCP/IP port numbers. Generally it's best to choose a server as close to your location as possible to minimise network latency.

    You'll also need to choose an IRC nickname for yourself - the name that will appear next to any contributions you make (so make it short). Some list regulars on IRC are OzPete (Peter Castlehouse), OEBL (Oystein), KiwiKev (Kevin Clarke), Nige (Nigel Sykes) and Dr_Gary.

    Once you are connected to a server, you need to join a channel (there are several thousand). You could try scrolling through a dropdown list that most clients will present you with, but it's easier just to tell the IRC client software to join #leeds (note that case IS important - attempting to join #LEEDS or #Leeds won't do you much good).

    The channel is only generally populated around match times, with people turning up up to an hour before kick-off and leaving in the half hour or so afterwards. If you join the channel and there's nobody there, make sure you're connected to an Undernet server, make sure that you've got the channel name right - and if you have, just wait for a while - you should have company shortly.

    If you get really bored waiting, you can always join the #funfactory channel as well, and watch how others communicate! But beware, most channels are uncensored and therefore open to abuse.

    A word of warning/advice: we are Leeds and proud of it. We invite any like person to the IRC channel to participate. We do however police it well, and fans from opposing teams, whilst welcome, must behave accordingly. It is after all a democratic society we live in, and viewpoints from both sides are welcome. Abusive participants are kicked out and banned....

  5. Thanks

    Thanks to everyone who helps with the list, from the people who still let us use the much-put upon mailer at Team 17, to the volunteers who run things, and all the people who send mail and make the list what it is. For all its ups and downs, this is a service a lot of people value, at home and especially abroad - and that's down to the goodwill of all the list's members and the volunteers who give of their valuable free time to make things happen. Thanks to one and all!

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